r/UnderReportedNews • u/Particular_Log_3594 • 5d ago
US Politics đșđž Marjorie Taylor Greene: And just like that we are no longer a nation divided by left and right, we are now a nation divided be those who want to fight wars for Israel and those who just want peace and to be able to afford their bills and health insurance.
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u/HashtagDadWatts 5d ago
Perhaps she should've thought about that when she was cheerleading the crowd of neocons who are perpetrating all of this.
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u/lilb1190 5d ago
Yeah this hard pivot towards reality is hard to accept.
On the other hand, Q-anon was kind of correct about the cabal of wealthy pedophiles.
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u/sleeptightburner 5d ago edited 5d ago
Thatâs because Q-Anonâs purpose was to ruin the credibility of those kind of accusations while redirecting it at political enemies. Epstein met with the founder of 4chan right before /pol/ was re-created. Thereâs emails about their meetings in the released files.
Edit: updated âcreatedâ to âre-createdâ. Doesnât change a thing about my point, but others pointed out the discrepancy so made the change here so the war below about it can hopefully end.
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u/MC_LegalKC 5d ago
It's similar to the way MAGA suddenly started calling everyone "pedo" shortly before the Matt Gaetz revelations. The MAGAts picked it up from influencers and ran with it, encouraged, of course by MAGA politicians and Fox. It made "pedo" lose meaning.
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u/midgaze 5d ago
The actual conspiracy turned out to be taking advantage of the sad fucks who believe in conspiracy theories, to muddy the waters.
Diabolical.
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u/TheShishkabob 5d ago
This is wrong. /pol/ is older than that meeting (but was closed in favour of /new/), Moot wasn't really running 4chan for quite a while by then, and there is every reason it was reopened at that time through sheer coincidence. Hell, the one who reopened it was RapeApe/GrapeApe, not Moot.
/pol/ was a containment board and was largely irrelevant for years before MAGA started up.
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u/NDHardage 5d ago
/b/ was already containment for all the site's more heinous shit. Redirecting from there doesn't make any sense. I think the timing of the reopening lines up too cleanly with the meeting for it to be coincidence. 4chan was struggling financially for years, and Epstein was known to throw funding around or connect people with those who could. Of course, that's just speculation, but I don't think the reopening should be discounted so quickly as mere coincidence.
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u/stilljustacatinacage 5d ago
Just stopping by to say that /u/TheShishkabob is correct. /b/ is not and never has been a "containment board". That random things were sent there was simply by nature of it being the board for things that don't fit anywhere else.
A containment board is explicitly a board created for housing a specific type of content that is crowding out normal conversation on other boards. eg: /mlp/ was created around the time Friendship is Magic became popular because /co/ wanted nothing to do with it and MLP posts were crowding out the usual flow of shitposts on /b/. So /mlp/ was created as a containment board for the benefit of /b/.
/vp/ is similar, as Pokemon threads and nuzlocke / speedruns were crowding out regular conversation on /v/.
As for /pol/, my timeline is fuzzy but iirc it was created to redirect all the "anti-SJW" threads that were being created, back when Anita and gang were first making headlines. afaik it was never explicitly a containment board for a single topic the way /mlp/ is, but it was definitely created so all the crazies will go be crazy somewhere else.
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u/ruat_caelum 5d ago
I hope after the nuclear fires there is a random hard drive found in 800 years that just has your post on it.
I don't know much of anything about 4chan and reading this actually made me understand less. But I'm smiling thinking about the academics trying to piece together "ancient society" based on... that.
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u/tsombies 5d ago
If youre old enough to remember internet before smartphones and boomers on facebook, you just might understand a bit what 4chan was.
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u/crookeddy 5d ago
I was on the internet heavily since 1996 and didn't learn of 4chan until like 2010. I think it appealed to only a certain type of person.
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u/ProvokedGaming 5d ago
Same. I was on BBSes and then the Internet since the late 80s early 90s and I only dealt with 4chan in the mid 2000s when a girlfriend of mine kept spending all day on it. I had no interest in the page.
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u/EitherSpite4545 5d ago
As for /pol/, my timeline is fuzzy but iirc it was created to redirect all the "anti-SJW" threads that were being created, back when Anita and gang were first making headlines. afaik it was never explicitly a containment board for a single topic the way /mlp/ is, but it was definitely created so all the crazies will go be crazy somewhere else
Naw the sjw stuff hadn't hit full steam quite yet by that point. The Anita stuff would come a couple months after the creation of /pol/ and they absolutely did raid and astroturf the shit out of it.
No /pol/ was on the surface created as a containment for US politics that were completely overrunning /int/ and /new/ at the time. Early /pol/ and I mean the first 6-12 months early was surprisingly fairly 50-50 lib to conservative maybe 40-60 at worst. It's when people started unironically advertising on stormfront forums that we got the /pol/ we know today.
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u/BronzeEnt 5d ago
With all this Epstein/4chan discourse how has no one started asking about who was funding Stormfront and their takeover of board culture?
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u/toweljuice 5d ago
It wasnt before pol was created. Pol was taken down and they met right before pol was brought back up. Tiring to keep see this repeated.
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u/Exciting-West9205 5d ago
I am no expert on 4chan, but there were clearly efforts made by Epstein, Bannon and other conspirators to invent a culture war that served their own ends by amplifying misogyny (which before they got this scheme off the ground in 2011 or so wasn't nearly as bad), racism, class divides, etc. Their scheming and the way they were laughing about it in private is sickening to read.
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u/ShallotIllustrious98 5d ago
Remember, Gamergate? That was from Bannon.
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u/metamet 5d ago
Gamergate => Pizzagate => Qanon
They weaponized the conspiratorially minded. This was all pretty clear around 2018 and was noted by a lot of folks on top of monitoring right wing extremism at the time.
The QAA and Behind the Bastards podcasts have been on top of it since early on.
Unfortunately most of us who were trying to ring the bell seemed more than a little crazy. Until J6 happened.
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u/Solastor 5d ago
I spent a lot of time trying to explain to my dad what cryptofascism was and how he didn't have a true grasp of the kinds of fucked up people were out there building powerful political machines because you're not going to see that on MSNBC or The Daily Show.
"Oh c'mon. We have systems in place to deal with that." "Oh it may look bad now, but the pendulum always swings. It'll course correct soon"
Then J6 hit and my dad called me and was legit scared and wanted my input and I told him. "First off - You're never allowed to tell me I'm overreacting about the rise of fascism again."
And ya know what, he hasn't.
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u/metamet 5d ago
Yup, this rings true to me.
When COVID was taking off over seas and still under-reported here, one of my close friends who expat'd was telling me about how things were getting scary and locked down. So I started following some of the scientists ringing that bell and trying to understand it as much as I could.
I spent about three weeks telling friends and coworkers that shit's going to hit the fan and it makes sense to stock up on a few necessities, since who knows how the supply chain will be impacted. I even took home all my essentials from my office desk, since I was convinced we'd be told not to come into the office any day.
I genuinely felt like I was going a little crazy because, as a self-preservation of normalcy instinct, my friends dismissed it as an overreaction. One of my coworkers even went on a cruise.
So I felt this sick sense of vindication when it finally hit the US. I was upset I was right, but I was also relieved that I was actually still connected to reality.
I think that history helped a bit when George Floyd was murdered (I'm in Minneapolis) because I didn't seem as insane when I was explaining who the Proud Boys and 3%ers and whatnot were who were driving around armed.
...it's been a rough decade, man.
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u/RollingHammer 5d ago
Hey I'm with you man. I was reading about covid late 2019, translating some random websites from mandarin to try and get more info. I was in WA state at the time, near Kirkland where it first hit too. I sounded like a crazy person, and no one agreed with me enough to cancel the cruise planned for April 2020. Thankfully, the cruiseline cancelled, otherwise it would have been a huge wedge between myself and people in my family, I don't think I would have gone along with it.
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u/dwankyl_yoakam 5d ago
It's less talked about but the topic of UFOs has also been similarly coopted.
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u/metamet 5d ago
Absolutely.
What happened with Qanon is it became a Big Tent conspiracy theory. It became a two way funnel. Those who were went down the wire connecting of the Q drops were exposed to other conspiracies, and those who followed other conspiracies were eventually roped into Qanon.
It sort of just became this all encompassing breeding ground for the conspiratorially minded, all rooted in blood libel global cabal Christo-fascism.
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u/itsgermanphil 5d ago
Does no one remember The Donald? That was the biggest psyop of reddit I've ever seen
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u/ShipService 5d ago
Yeah the point is still just as valid. It makes him look like he is trying to defend it if anything so his comment is a net negative I would say.
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u/livahd 5d ago
Behind the bastards just finished a four part podcast on Epsteinâs influence on modern society. Everything from /pol to money laundering through WoW. It barely touches on the csm (obv itâs always hanging over everything) but focuses on the wild eugenics and weird billionaire dinner parties discussing how to reshape society. Crazy stuff, if youâre reading down that route itâs a hell of a listen.
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u/Repulsive_Corner6807 5d ago
They do what they always do and co-opt a grassroots movement. And Calling q anon a grassroots movement means weâre living in a clown world.
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u/Dreamlion_Inc 5d ago edited 5d ago
âEpstein met with the founder of 4chanâ
Jesus Christ thatâs a sentence
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u/GeoisGeo 5d ago
She either saw the light with Epstein or has some very smart advisors reading the room. Either way, she is suspect until her end days.
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u/Gloomy-Recipe9213 5d ago
I'll say this for her. She's consistent, if morally repugnant and pretty dumb. She was Q-Anon royalty and famous for remarking on "Jewish Space Lasers". Then it turns out there really was a cabal of elite pedophiles running the show, and Israel using the US to attack its enemies.
I really think she saw the light with Epstein, because it validated the Q theories - but in the opposite direction than she was expecting. War with Iran is what she was opposed to from the start. She seems to have a real hate-on for Israel too. So her positions here are actually pretty consistent with what she was like before. I feel so, so weird about MTG being right about something in the long game.
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u/ElderlyChipmunk 5d ago
It is sort of like when RFK Jr comes out talking about removing synthetic food dyes and you just have to be like "ok...yeah you're right on this one."
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u/whiskey-water 5d ago
But then a few days later is the champion for round up. Like Cmon' dude!
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u/HandsomeBoggart 5d ago
Bro is a roadkill eating brain worm hosting has been. You can't expect him to connect Harmful Chemicals used on Plants/Bugs and how they eventually reach our water and food supplies.
He's a simpleton.
Food dyes bad and used in food. Bad bad bad.
Round Up chemicals used to kill unwanted plants and bugs but not used on food. Ok.
The ginormous check they probably cut him along with an "expert" pleading their case probably helped too.
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u/Fast-Priority-2989 5d ago
Worse than a simpleton. He grasps the harm roundup causes. He just think that's an acceptable price to pay as long as the kleptocracy requires human bodies to clean their toilets and cook their food.
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u/HammerlyDelusion 5d ago
Ah so a broken clock is still right twice a day.
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u/onwatershipdown 5d ago
Itâs a calculated move so her proponents can say âyou know she has some really good points.â
Iâve been saying that our first woman president will be white, blonde, a little fascist, a little racist. Get the HOA vote. Obviously a candidate who fit that bill won the popular vote by 3 million already. But Iâm terrified of an MTG presidency. The left does not take her seriously, and overlooks that primaries are in reality, deeply unserious.
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u/freixe 5d ago
That's basically all first female presidents/PMs. They lean conservative and won't fuck with the system in place so it's considered "safe" to elect them. Republicans have shown that they fall in line and were willing to push Trump into power (despite everything about him) so if a woman gets in a similar spot then it's probably the only chance we'll see it.
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u/Halcyon_156 5d ago
But it did not validate the Q theories at all except in the sense that there are wealthy pedophiles running the show, but that was already easily obtainable knowledge. Epstein was first convicted in 2010. When did Qanon become a thing? Just look at the timeline it was designed to help the Trump campaign. Remember who the Q theories were aimed at? (I hate that I have to know about this.) They were aimed at Democrats, the whole thing was a psyop designed to discredit actual investigations and information by painting the Democrats as the ringleaders of a child sex cabal and of course Donald Trump was going to lead the way in taking them all down. It is so utterly obvious and yet people fall for this shit left and right. Qanon and the Epstein/Trump organization (of which they were just prominent "fall guys") were behind the Qanon conspiracy, it was an attempt to turn their own crimes against their adversaries.
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u/No-Carry7029 5d ago
what is very surprising to me is her tone shift. like literally her tone disappeared. she is much calmer and quieter now and i don't understand it.
yes you can change "sides" or messaging, but to change *how* you say things is such a switchup.
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u/sadi89 5d ago
She is somehow simultaneously a grifter and a morally consistent person and not particularly smart.
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u/bolanrox 5d ago
you can be a grifter but have some (and the bar is really fucking low here) morals
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u/BouncePharmacy 5d ago
I think she was genuine in the way she defended her ideology. However misguided it was to begin. She put out a tweet yesterday and I canât really argue with anything she said. Which is a bit surreal. Sheâll always be the adult who chased around and recorded a Parkland survivor while she scolded him about the 2nd amendment. Which is heinous as F. That said, we canât discourage growth in people and I welcome her voice against the travesty of what Donald Trump is doing.
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u/GeoisGeo 5d ago
The enemy of my enemy for sure, just they are all the worst people ever, which makes it maddening.
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u/deejaybongo 5d ago
She stopped being useful to the Trump administration so they dropped her, and now she's looking for her next grift. Really don't care about her change of heart until she's explained why she "used to" believe all that crazy shit. Otherwise, I don't see why anyone would believe her now.
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u/T-sigma 5d ago
You only have to read the comments here to realize itâs full of brain dead people who fully believe and trust her now that sheâs running with the same opinions as they have.
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u/KatakanaTsu 5d ago
MTG has become a little like Newsom when it comes to being vocal against President Epstein. Either way, we need some real action of some kind to back up their words. Otherwise it's just PR.
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u/pconrad0 5d ago
And a lot like Newsom in that her political positions are driven by ambition and ego, not principle.
I think Newsom is a lot more intelligent and educated than MTG, but in terms of character? Quite similar.
I had not seen the similarities before, but now I can't unsee it.
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u/spurcap29 5d ago edited 5d ago
To be fair as long as shady dealings aren't involved there is nothing wrong or undemocratic about ambition through reading the room.
The whole point of representative democracy is the elected officials should see what they think they should do that will make people happy (and thus vote for them) and do that. For some reason we seem to reveer politicians that have internal unwielding and unchanging independently conceived views that they defend and adhere to.
Politicians are frequently accused of 'flip flopping' and changing their view. I always wonder why they dont respond that the people that gave them their job changed their views so I changed my goals? Why did Kamala try to rewrite history instead of saying when she worked for the people of San Francisco her priorities and goals were necessarily different than when she would work for the people of America.
Why do politicians need to infantisize the electorate and act like strongmen telling us the answers rather than act as workers of the people going to Washington to do what the people want.
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u/Direct-Expert-4824 5d ago
The fact that this was voted down is why we have Trump right now. People are so naive to the political process.
When you make perfect the enemy of good, you'll end up with the worst outcome every time,
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u/Kaarl_Mills 5d ago
No, she was complicit the entire time, she's only lashing out now because her own personal ambitions got snuffed out by trump
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u/RickyalldayTD 5d ago
Maga friend of mine just reached out after we stopped speaking during the election, this Epstein thing is making some question why the GOP and Taco is blocking the release of all the files.
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I tend to think she was a true believer and not in on the grift. Once she saw reality, she snapped.
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u/BellowsHikes 5d ago
I read the article in the NYTimes that spoke about the process of gaining a slight amount of sanity over the last 6 months or so.
There wasn't a lightning bolt moment, or some shocking revelation that caused any of her recent (very small) behavior change.
It was just being educated. A few years in the Congress forced her to deal with things like nuance, complexity and detail. Without realizing it she was being taught to think critically, and when she tried to apply her newfound critical thinking by asking questions to her GOP colleagues, or pointing out their hypocrisy she was told to shut the fuck, stop asking questions up and vote for what they told her to vote for.
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u/ncsubowen 5d ago
after which she promptly quit a few days after she hit lifetime healthcare and pension lol. don't believe any sort of sanewashing she's doing now.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 5d ago
Personally, I'd rather see action, not words from her.
If she truly has changed her views, then great, but she was a big part of the problem and a very outspoken part of it. That goes above and beyond someone who just happenst to have a moment of clarity shock them into place.
If she manages to do something actionable to make ammends, then I'll be more open to forgiveness, but until then, I'll just shrug and accept that at least she's saying the right things.
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u/Swimming_Bonus_8892 5d ago
FamâŠshe could lead a BLM protest, while calling for sensible gun legislation, codifying abortion into law, demanding a true separation of church and state, universal healthcare and proper taxation of the rich and I would still call herâŠSpace laser SusanâŠshe never was or ever will be one of usâŠitâs all smoke and mirrors. Peace.
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u/Fast-Newt-3708 5d ago
But...I would still prefer that she do all that rather than nothing
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u/orokanahakujin 5d ago
Well said. I feel like Candace Owens also gets this perma-sus badge of honor.
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u/SeeHearSpeak0 5d ago
The hard pivot comes after she qualified for her pension, vastly increased her wealth through insider trading, then made one innocuous comment that set off the rabid dogs she used to weaponize against her.
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u/EmbarrassedW33B 5d ago
She's clearly just pivoting so she can stay relevant in the post-Trump era when everyone will do their damndest to pretend they had nothing to do with him
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u/Killentyme55 5d ago
Yep. She's probably sensing an upcoming shift in the political winds and wants to reinvent herself ahead of the game. She's nothing more than a third-rate huckster that will latch on to whatever wagon is moving the fastest.
Unfortunately for her she went way overboard with the latest iteration of herself and will never be able to live it down. Those "space lasers" will follow her for the rest of her life.
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u/beatles910 5d ago
Her pension is peanuts. Seriously, you think she was motivated by $8,700 dollars per year, starting when she turns 62?
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u/Ether561 5d ago
When you think of it in the context of it being self-perpetuated, it makes a lot of sense. Poison the source information with loads of outrageous claims (some of which have actually proven to be true), meanwhile everyone thought they were just crazy loons, leaving most people to not believe any of it. It's how they've gotten this far, imo.
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u/Xijit 5d ago
The best way to ruin credibility accusations against you is to seed those accusations with absurdities & have your people leak it.
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u/Enve-Dev 5d ago
Well that wasnt q-anon. They just took an already prevalent idea and made it specific to their narrative. The idea of a secret cabal of elite pedophiles can easily be traced back to the medieval times. Every 100 years or so the main target of the conspiracy changes but itâs always been there.
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u/StrangeContest4 5d ago
They're eating the dogs. They're raping the cats. They're trafficking the kids of the people that live there.
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u/SuperDoubleDecker 5d ago
Well, who else is saying this shit? We don't even have democrats coming out swinging this hard besides Ro.
It's sad that I have to root for green because I'm not seeing this from many democrats. I'll hold her to her positions on other matters after we take care of this hostile facisist machine.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 5d ago
I encourage MTG to continue splintering the conservative bubble into shards. By all means, keep cooking, girl.
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u/Venator850 5d ago
This is not a pivot. She's trying to position herself to take over MAGA in the power vacuum when Trump finally goes. She aligns with 95% of the things he's done.
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u/monstrol 5d ago
This sure as Hell wasn't on my Bingo card! Agreeing with MTG about the administration's policy. Am I taking crazy pills!??
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u/Semperty 5d ago
i don't really think it's a hard pivot, to be fair. she's always been very antisemitic and blamed the jews and israel for a lot of things (anyone remember the space lasers comment?). the difference is that israel has been significantly more aggressive in the region in the last year or so than they had been for a while.
her point is still antisemitic and is consistent with who she's been all along. geo-politics have just shifted around her such that her antisemitic point can (and often does) now align with non-antisemitic points from the left.
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u/mickelboy182 5d ago
her point is still antisemitic
Not wanting to fight wars for Israel is not, in fact, antisemitic.
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 5d ago
Green hasn't pivoted at all, she's just as crazy as ever. The thing is, she's a true believer in all the insane stuff she spouts, so of course she's parting ways with Trump.
Don't take this as some sign of awakening with Green. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more and no less.
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u/TheSerpentDeceiver 5d ago
They were only right because every accusation they make is an admission.
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u/tzeentchdusty 5d ago
The thing is, and others have pointed this out, all cult thought casts a wide net. This means that the more vague and ambiguous your ideology is, the more people who are suffering delusions will think that they are part of the in-group of secret knowledge. Qanon did some things differently, they called out specific people and groups and accused them of the worst kind of evil, when the reality is that the perpetrators of that evil were mostly people sympathetic to the leanings of Qanon progenitors. Qanon was "right" about a satanic caval of pedophiles because they were specifically designed to sound crazy, attract certain people, and cast doubt on truth in general such that when inevitably the stories started to break about right wing pedophiles, they could be dismissed as either untrue or as being politically motivated and weaponized against the right. Confusion is their epitaph, and they were "right" because they were blasting information they already had.
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u/No-Chemistry-4355 5d ago edited 5d ago
Qanon was not right. Qanon is an antisemitic doomsday cult that alleges that satanic pedophiles secretly run the entire world and no one knows who they are because they aren't public figures. They have their own slogans and insignias, as well as an entire set of written predictions for what is going to happen when "The Storm" arrives, everything gets exposed to the public, and Americans start living in a utopia under Trump. Basically their own Book of Revelations.
Sex trafficking rings have been a thing for the entirety of human history.
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u/Badloss 5d ago
The whole point of Q-anon was to get people revved up about the cabal and then aimed in the wrong direction, so when it was time to go after the real cabal everyone would be confused
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u/Miyagisans 5d ago
On the other hand, Q-anon was kind of correct about the cabal of wealthy pedophiles.
Thatâs like being correct about the sun rising. The ruling class have SA people for centuries. The reason qâanon isnât taking seriously about anything is that their goal was to weaponize those accusations against âwoKEâ, rather than an actual desire for justice.
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u/Sirgolfs 5d ago
Hey at least sheâs come around and seen the light. Canât say that for lots of others.
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u/noonenotevenhere 5d ago
If she gave a rip, she wouldn't have resigned.
She was in a position to DO SOMETHING about this, but she literally quit mid term.
Rather than stand up for what's right, she'd rather quit, watch it happen and complain.
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u/SheetPancakeBluBalls 5d ago
And she didn't care at all until she was snubbed by Trump.
Sure she's on the good side now, but for bad reasons.
Still, impact matters more than intent so if she can flip some other crazies I'm all for it.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 5d ago
This. You can't even give her credit for "seeing the light" because of that, she really said "I see know that Trump was wrong, but I will use pointless words on twitter to fight instead of voting no against his agenda in Congress"
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u/eightbitagent 5d ago
If she gave a rip, she wouldn't have resigned.
If she hadn't resigned, this would mean something. She could be there voting against the war.
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u/kar_1505 5d ago
to play devil's advocate, (she doesn't deserve it but doing so for the sake of argument), I think she got scared off by the death threats etc, maga don't take kindly to people dissenting them
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u/HomeToThePalace 5d ago
Then she's a coward, too. How many death threats (and actual attacks) has Omar gotten because of that racist turd in office?
I'm glad she's "seen the light," even though, as usual, it took things directly affecting her to care, but I am very disappointed in her means of "repairing damage."
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u/noonenotevenhere 5d ago
devil doesn't need anymore advocates.
Needs people to stand up for what's right - while in a position to do something about it!
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u/VanDownByTheOcean 5d ago
There is no change of heart here. This is her grift. She is pivoting to being paid commentary, nothing more.
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u/BagOnuts 5d ago
She has not "Come around". She doesn't support Israel because she's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, not because she gives 2 fucks about brown people dying in the middle east.
Stop propping up people who are using this situation as a reason to propagate hate, even if you might agree with their ends.
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u/TinWhis 5d ago
It's incredible how many people in this thread think that Marjorie Taylor "Space Lasers" Greene is criticizing Israel from a position of finding their policy horrible and not from a position of thinking that a Cabal Of Jews (tm) controls the world as well as the space lasers and that Israel's allyship with the US is proof of that.
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u/ShakesDontBreak 5d ago edited 5d ago
People change. Stances change.
I for one will welcome anyone brave enough to speak out against authoritarianism as well as anyone who says...."you know, I was wrong."
They can have a seat with me.
Edit: we get it. She sucks. Blah blah blah.
What is your strategy to fight back against authoritarianism? How do you identify a path to victory excluding all conservatives that you disagree with?
I don't see a pathway through exclusion. The numbers won't be there to effectuate social change without getting as many people on board as possible. That includes people we don't like.
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u/trick63 5d ago
Exactly this. Yes, she was absolutely horrible but shitting on her more at this point only makes others considering admitting this dig further in out of fear of embarrassment.
This is the shit we need to be encouraging. It means swallowing a bit of pride in exchange for the future.
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u/Johannes_Keppler 5d ago
You're falling for her schtick. These people are opportunistic trough and trough. She just chose a difference role to perform.
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u/square600 5d ago
Rather save my energy to those who still support the dude rather than pointing out someone pivoting to correct the past
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u/ChunkyBubblz 5d ago
Sheâd be loyally towing the MAGA line if Trump hadnât found her to be too ugly for a cabinet position. This is about her personal grudge. She never cared about anyone else.
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u/MrBorden 5d ago
Exactly.
Where was this rhetoric two years ago? Career politicians are the absolute worst.
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u/dplans455 5d ago
This woman is not stupid like the entire left tried to make her out to be when she was running for office. All you have to do is listen to her speak when she's on The View or Bill Maher's show and you instantly can tell she is quite intelligent and even eloquent.
Now is she a terrible person because she used MAGA and Trump to leapfrog her opposition to the front of the line? Absolutely. Let's not forget she is a Republican and they will grift to get what they want.
But make no mistake, she is reading the room and sees Trump and MAGA taking a nosedive and she wants to be president. This is her path to that.
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u/MittenCollyBulbasaur 5d ago
Make it say "Bored of Peace" and it's perfect
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u/JustABoobGrabber 5d ago
Norm Macdonald approves
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u/Yujin-Ha 5d ago edited 5d ago
MJG talking about Healthcare after bending the knee to Trump for more than a decade now lmao
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u/Semperty 5d ago
she didn't say anything about free healthcare. she said people want to be able to afford healthcare, but she's very likely still talking about affording privatized healthcare.
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u/BellacosePlayer 5d ago
Its useful as a rhetorical device, not actually something she cares about.
Its like the "mental health crisis" conservatives refer to when gun talk happens that they'll never actually work on doing anything about
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u/howisthisacrime 5d ago
Funny how they only ever seem to care about mental health when the topic of gun violence comes up.
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u/IWrestleSausages 5d ago
Mental how these people change their tune so quickly depending on whether they re in favour or not and how much they themselves can profit from the situation. Guarantee you if he welcomed her back into the fold she would be the first one cheerleading bombing kiddy schools or whatever they re doing in Iran
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u/Jerry-Lives22 5d ago
All the sudden she is a Bernie fan
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u/Context-clue 5d ago
Iâm sorry but this bothers tf out of me, itâs âall of a suddenâ
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u/xxforrealforlifexx 5d ago
Death threats from your own party will do that to a person
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u/jadestem 5d ago
lol glad Iâm not the only one. My mom says âall the suddenâ and it grinds tf out of my gears.
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u/Stanny_Tendergrass 5d ago
Too bad she helped to create this monster. Blood is on her hands too
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u/dank-nuggetz 5d ago
And now she's using her platform to try to take him down. She got duped but has never wavered on her beliefs, she just wrongly believed Trump was something he is not.
We need to welcome these defectors with open arms.
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u/FORGOTTENLEGIONS 5d ago
Her beliefs of there being "jewish space lasers"? And openly hating LGBT+ people?
I have no doubt people can change but she has given no proper apology for how she acted so we should be VEEERY hesitant with her.
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u/Luciusvenator 5d ago
Remember when she would follow around Parkland shooting survivors saying they were actors and that it never happened?
And shes literally still bigoted and far right now.
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u/Conscious_Ad9664 5d ago
Yes she still sucks but the more people on the right see the ultra loyal defect the easier itâll be for them to admit they were wrong too.
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u/thepennylane69 5d ago
I get this approach to a point but we donât need to be so naive and credulous as to let this particular person back into polite society
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u/dank-nuggetz 5d ago
Every time she goes on a talk show or podcast and says "Trump is a warmongering, Israeli-bought pedo protector", it's a good thing. Let her do it. Not asking anyone to donate to her next campaign or cheer her name, but she's one of the most high-profile, vocal defectors from the MAGA movement, and that has tactical value.
Keep her at arms reach but let her do her thing.
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u/Starthreads 5d ago
A person with bloodied hands can still grab the rope to pull the ship back to right.
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u/KaneHusky13 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yknow...
I'm someone who has a penchant to forgive people. We mess up, we say things we don't mean, maybe a few years down the line, there's a chance of making up. I've poked around spaces where people have posted this tweet and many people aren't behind MTG over her new leaf, which causes a lot of other commenters to vaguely say, "Hey, she changed."
I'm not perfect. I said and did stupid shit as a high-schooler-to-adult. I think I would have been an incel in some spaces if I didn't have a good support circle. What's said has been said, I can't ask for forgiveness from the people I've hurt, and I look back at my life knowing I could have, should have, would have, but didn't, and have to deal with that.
Marjorie's heel turn isn't to be trusted. YEARS this woman has pushed hateful rhetoric, tormented and bullied people and has made her sole purpose to be a right-wing loudspeaker. She hasn't apologized for her behavior from what I know of, and she's made such a sudden 90Âș turn the other direction, I'm surprised her neck didn't snap from the whiplash. Maybe she saw something that we already saw. I don't know.
I can't immediately forgive someone like her. Can't. Won't. Probably never will. She had a hand in making this machine. Can't unbomb those nations. Can't unsee the files. Can't unsay the things that were said. If she truly was a changed person... well, she would have said to the camera directly "I was blinded by the money, the clout, the power," --something.
But we didn't get that. The most I'll give her is a stiff head shake, an "Uhuh, you're right" and a cold shoulder.
EDIT: To clarify, yeah, I don't have a personal relationship with Greene at all-- I'm moreso talking about people like her. The MAGATs, the ALTRighters, etc. Really, it doesn't matter what she says or does and maybe she can push MAGA folks to reconsider, but I'd say the damage is already done. People are dead or dying. Costs are getting higher. Whether or not forgiveness happens with people like her is up to the person. Me, personally? If someone in my life had a complete shift like her, I wouldn't-- couldn't forgive them. They can live their life and fight the good fight, but not around me.
EDIT-EDIT: I know, I know Face-turn is the right terminology, my ass got'em confused!!! But some user I can't find in the thread was like "This is how democrats always lose because of performative, reddit-bs. Saying you hate MAGA makes them stay that way" or something. And. I hear you. People hold grudges over things that seem trivial. The purity culture in liberal circles can spit in the face of "real" problems and turn people off. Like I said, I was almost an incel when it came to sharing a space with women in the high-school transition because I was the nerdy kid trying to leave the 'friendzone'. I left that mindset after self reflecting and making a change for myself-- something that is VERY hard to do. If you're MAGA and are trying to make amends, it's a gamble, especially considering everything that's happened because of voting. If MAGAs didn't agree with the president, they'd say it and ask for forgiveness. Genuine forgiveness. Not just the "I'm sorry, I didn't think this would affect me" type, but the "I genuinely was ignorant and I made everything worse" kind. Acknowledging the shortcomings, acknowledging how they overlooked the racism, the lies, and the shady business over personal wants or needs, but at a certain point for MAGAs, that a bridge was burned a long time ago. There are two options; stay as they are and continue to blame others for their circumstances, or try to make a change and build new pathways.
It's reductive to imply that all that needs to happen is for someone to open their arms and accept a person when they say they're sorry. And hate... is a strong word. The thing that I hate is the lack of critical thinking, the blissful ignorance, and the hypocritical views. I don't hate people who are MAGA, I hate their ideology-- which is to say they have none. And if trying to push some gentle empathy onto them makes them mad... then why would I waste my energy trying to let them in when they've shown they won't try to understand?
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u/trick63 5d ago
Genuinely, does it even matter? You dont have to forgive her, you dont have to even trust her. Its not like she will ever run for any office or notable position again, there is literally nothing to trust here.
If she can motivate her constituents to disavow MAGA, its worth it over being able to say "I was right" atop the smouldering ashes of American democracy.
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u/Pinwurm 5d ago
Anyone fascism considers an enemy is an ally.
Every one of MTGâs constituents that turns against Trump because of Iran or Epstein or whatever is one less fascist we have to fight.
It doesnât mean MTG is a good person, it doesnât mean sheâs a friend. I want to destroy her on the battlefield of ideas. However, that battlefield can only exist under a democracy and we need all the help we can get.
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u/Iohet 5d ago
Anyone fascism considers an enemy is an ally.
This was the whole point of Harris courting Liz Cheney. Too many voters thought we weren't really dealing with actual fascists.
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u/Scruffylookin13 5d ago
Wish more people on Reddit felt this way. In posts where its a hypothetical process, everyone is talking about how to convert people to their side. Â
But whenever an actual person from the right speaks up against them, 99% of what gets upvoted is.... "too late, you had your chance" or "were here because of the choices you made, now live with them"
Now MTG is an extremely example compared to a cowork or uncle. But the common sentiment seems to be to cut off the nose to spite the face when people are finally starting to see eye to eyeÂ
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u/veggieturnip 5d ago
FWIW she did apologize:Â https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/16/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-interview-apologizes
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u/Mmm_lemon_cakes 5d ago
Wow. ThatâsâŠ. Surprising mature. I hadnât read that.
Iâm reading more and more things lately that have made me go âOh shit, am I agreeing with MTG again?â
I think that her trying to convince other Republicans that itâs ok to disagree with Trump is a good thing. Even if we donât agree with her on everything. So Iâm willing to give her a little grace. We have to or weâll never heal as a country.
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u/rckwld 5d ago
Fuck her. She enabled these people for so long and then quit rather than challenge them.
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u/hmc2323 5d ago
She was likely blackmailed into stepping down (she made a lot from stock trades, most likely via congressional insider trading.) Still, I applaud her stance on Israel.
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u/ObeseVegetable 5d ago edited 5d ago
Insider trading is still explicitly legal for congress though, is it not? So couldnât be that aside from the political impact of talking about it more. Otherwise quitting just changes a risk of losing your job to definitely losing you job.Â
Edit: she did mention that she was receiving death threats over the Epstein stuff though, which is fairly believable. I wouldnât be surprised if she actually stepped down over such threats as she claimed she did. This particular admin doesnât have the best track record of stopping politically motivated attackers.Â
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u/BrocoliAssassin 5d ago
If you've voted left or right in the past 40 years you've most likely voted for the politicians that sold you out to Israel and killed innocent muslims around the world.
You just don't know or are in denial that you've been voting in Zionists .
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u/rsmicrotranx 5d ago
What she described was literally left and right lmao. Left has been fighting for your Healthcare and bills for decades.
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u/Librarian_Zoomies 5d ago
Didnât she leave the House so she wouldnât have to back up what sheâs saying now? Dont believe her. Sheâs trying a new grift.
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u/house343 5d ago
There is no benefit to listening to her. If she still had some pull with the right wing base and that could be used to get people all on one side, fine, okay, that might work. But right wingers never liked her either. Not sure what her play is. Just, chaos I suppose. That's all she learned from the administration she served.
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u/Extra_Box8936 5d ago
The one who aided and abetted the murderer decries the death toll!
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u/SoulTaker669 5d ago
Yeah not a fan of her but I'm able to see through it and know that the current majority of Congress is controlled by Israel. It's quite obvious especially during the New York mayor race where they almost all said they would go visit Israel as their first trip.
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u/wishbeaunash 5d ago
That was kind of always the difference between left and right but ok
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u/Drawman101 5d ago
can we stop platforming MTG? She is not a good person and I don't care if she has a even half-baked thought given her track record
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u/Glad_Firefighter_345 5d ago
Did we ever find out why she defected from Trump?
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u/22Margaritas32 5d ago
I think there is a few reasons but from my best understanding; supposedly she wanted a bid for senate and he wouldn't give her his blessing, and I think she also wanted a position in his admin and he wouldn't give it to her. She also campaigned on him releasing the Epstein files. I think she sucks as a human and as a politician but she is extremely passionate about getting the survivors justice.
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u/SanopusSplendidus 5d ago
The first fracture I remember was when she realized the healthcare subsidy cuts were going to fuck with people she knew or was related to. I can't remember if she spoke about the Epstein stuff before or after that.
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u/azure275 5d ago
The healthcare bill she was one of the few deciding votes on but could not bother to read
Is she hoping we forget that without her personal vote it may have failed?
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u/Dont-be-a-smurf 5d ago
A few things, but most directly Iâve seen two:
Trump snubbed her when she planned to run for senate. This felt like intense betrayal to her since she felt she dutifully supported MAGA and Trump even when they didnât align with her personal politics (she has always been isolationist and anti-Israel, perhaps even fully antisemitic. She also wanted the Epstein files released).
When she was getting death threats for voicing her views, she asked Trump to weigh in and calm down the threats she was getting. He essentially told her she deserved them. This was the double whammy betrayal.
After that, she appears to have become fully disillusioned with Trump and MAGA, refused to run for her seat again, and decided to just drop out of politics and talk shit from the sidelines instead.
Hereâs a news story on the falling out:
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u/HelloImTheAntiChrist 5d ago
He wouldn't back her for a Senate election. She also was adamant about not protecting pedophiles named in the Epstein/Trump files.
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u/Burntfruitypebble 5d ago
She was mad he didn't back her for Georgia Senate, and she really wants the Epstein situation brought to light and people imprisoned for it.
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u/coolestredditdad 5d ago
I dislike her as much as anyone else does, but I will admit, it's great to see people who I assumed were MAGA for life have a change of heart.Â
We need to embrace that, but still hold them accountable for their previous decisions.Â
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u/thehugejackedman 5d ago
She is not changed. Her priorities have. She will always be self serving. Do not be a fool
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u/Guzzleguts 5d ago
Even so, demonstrating an exit path to people in the fascist cult surely has some value?Â
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u/Sir_Metallicus116 5d ago
Do you believe she's irredeemable because she's a conservative? Or because of her prior support for the bigot?
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u/seductiveaxolotl 5d ago
She is likely just positioning herself to escape Nuremberg 2.0
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u/Electrical-Orange-38 5d ago
Incorrect.
We on the Left still want nothing to do with the Fascists on the Right, even if we might agree on one thing.
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u/Calm-Background2247 5d ago
Too little too late.
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u/BeRandom1456 5d ago
And that is the exact attitude we donât need. Im not shaming anyone for making mistakes. I have open arms and hearts. people can change. Iâve seen it and I welcome anyone to do better. When you shun people away you just make them less likely to join you. Please do better.
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u/antimushroom 5d ago
Disagree. Not being able to see through obvious grifters is a humongous part of the problem. Even when they shift their tune to chase a different grift because they got thrown out of their last club.
See through it. There is no principle to any of it. No grand epiphanies. Theyâve very loudly shown you who they are.
We arenât talking about some random person or voter on the street.
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u/BootyfulBumrah 5d ago
These comments are so stupid. MTG is openly using the republican Playbook against Republicans and dems and their fanbois are still not picking up on how to speak about stuff from this instead cribbing on how this is too little and too late by her
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u/Abstrographer 5d ago
It's nice to have converts to sanity, no matter how long it takes the scales to fall off of their eyes.
Criticizing someone for coming to the party too late shows others that they'd be better off not showing up at all. Is that a wise strategy?
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